Friday, February 10, 2006

Stop whining, Marine.

There is currently an email circulating about why we shouldn't support Starbucks Coffee because they supposibly "denied" a bunch of Marines free coffee. I think the person who wrote this email needs to check the facts & maybe reconsider the situation. Everyone is always so ready to jump on the bandwagon of blaming everyone else for not being "Patriotic" enough.

Here is a copy of the email:

Starbucks Denies Coffee to Marines !!

Recently Marines in Iraq wrote to Starbucks because they wanted to let them know how much they liked their coffee and to request that they send some of it to the troops there.

Starbucks replied, telling the Marines thank you for their support of
their business, but that Starbucks does not support the war, nor anyone in it, and that they would not send the troops their brand of coffee.

So as not to offend Starbucks, maybe we should not support them by buying any of their products!

As a war vet writing to fellow patriots, I feel we should get this out in
the open. I know this war might not be very popular with some folks, but that doesn't mean we don't support the boys on the ground fighting street-to-street and house-to-house for what they and I believe is right.

If you feel the same as I do then pass this along, or you can discard it
and no one will never know.
Thanks very much for your support. I know you'll all be there again when I deploy once more.

"Semper Fidelis."
Sgt Howard C. Wright
1st Force Recon Co
1st Plt PLT


I have done some research on the Starbucks issue. I went to their website & found an entire section saying that Starbucks DOES support our troops. Also, it does announce that they ALREADY donate coffee to troops serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. Read it for yourself on their website: (You will need to scroll halfway down and you will see the section entitled: "Starbucks Donates to Military Personnel".

I know that, having been in the military myself, when we were deployed, some people tried to always write companies trying to get free products. They would try to take advantage of the "Patriotic high" the country was experiencing in order to get pity and to get free goodies. I never agreed with asking for free products even when I was in the Army. I saw my job as a soldier as a very prideful thing but still a job, a responisibility, not a reason to get everyone's sympathy & free goodies. I didn't believe in whining until I got something for free. I didn't want to take advantage of the good will of the American people, either. I didn't expect anyone to feel sorry for me for being in any situation because that was what I signed up for.

I also believed and still do that people & companies have every right to voice their discontent or dissent with any world situation. That is why, after all, we live in a democracy and also that is why consumers do also have a choice of who they want to support or not support too. Yes, I do believe that people should at least appreciate the sacrifices made of service members, regardless of how they feel about the war itself.

I would like to know EXACTLY what was said on BOTH sides of the story before I made a decision to boycott any company. I am NOT saying that this person is lying but I am saying that in situations as this, sometimes feelings get hurt & egos get insulted & that leads to overreaction or misinterpretation. Maybe Starbucks told these particular people no because they had already donated more than enough to the troops over there & if they donated to every single individual soldier they would lose profits. And yes, that is what they are in business make profits.

Now, if the coffee was donated (which Starbucks says it was) then maybe it is only getting to the higher which case, that is a LEADERSHIP issue, not Starbucks' problem.

I guess what I am trying to say is, thanks for serving, I appreciate your hard work & sacrifice but stop whining about doing your job and stop riding the "Patriotic" bandwagon.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think if you read between the lines of What SB states on their site, they only claim that their "PARTNERS" donate to the troops and they donate to the Red Cross but they never specifically come out and state they donate coffee to our troops.

Blogger Chick With A Gun said...

Thanks for your input but the very fact that they are "partners" means that they, at one level or another, share funds. Starbucks coffee was donated by Starbucks partners. I feel that if you have to dig that deep to try to point out technicalities, it negates the entire issue. The fact is that Starbucks and/or their partners donated Starbucks coffee.

That, in itself means that the person that wrote the initial email about Starbucks not supporting the troops was wrong. Some people just want something free & someone to blame.

But, thanks for your input. Next time, maybe you could sign it with your name or a screen name? You may not be registered with, but it would be nice to know with whom I am talking!

Have a great weekend!

Anonymous ringzero said...

Now I have two reasons not to do business with Starbucks.

1. their coffee stinks
2. they support the troops

Anonymous Marine Mike said...

Just a follow up, in case you hadn't seen it already, to the email submitted by the wayward Marine:
Dear Readers,

Almost 5 months ago I sent an e-mail to you my faithful friends. I did a wrong thing that needs to be cleared up. I heard by word of mouth about how Starbucks said they didn't support the war and all. I was having enough of that kind of talk and didn't do my research properly like I should have. This is not true. Starbucks supports men and women in uniform. They have personally contacted me and I have been sent many copies of their company's policy on this issue. So I apologize for this quick and wrong letter that I sent out to you.

Now I ask that you all pass this email around to everyone you passed the last one to. Thank you very much for understanding about this.

Howard C. Wright
1st Force Rcon Co
1st Plt PLT RTO

Blogger Chick With A Gun said...

Hey, thanks, Marine Mike. If you look at the post that I posted as the "part 2" to this one, I did mention that he came forward and corrected himself.

Thanks though! Have a great day!

Blogger jud said...

Although I'm sure their are some troops who try to take advantage, It is appropriate and understandable for troops who are homesick and fighting a deadly battle across the globe in a foreign country to want a peace of home. I don't here troops saying they are entitled to free stuff from home, I here them asking for it. There is a difference.

I admire your courageous service, but your "Whining" characterization is bizarre. You sound like a Feminist who is trying to prove herself. Hence "Chick With A Gun". Don't you have a real name? You never see men calling themselves "A Dude With A Gun". That guy would be perceived as a nut, and therefore so should you. Equality right? Give up the BS tough act.

I think you need to check the facts & reconsider the situation. It seems as though many people are jumping on the "UNPATRIOTIC" bandwagon.

First, I think it's worth mentioning that Starbucks is a Left-Wing company.
Look at their policies, agendas, and financial supporters.
Although the company it-self doesn't make political contributions, it's "higher-ups" have personally contributed a total of $23,300 to the 2004 Kerry Campaign. This includes SB's CCGS, President, EVP, & CEO. Check So, even though they never sent out that response, it's likely that they support the troops, but not the "war".
This is their prerogative, as is our choice in supporting them, as you say.

A Starbucks "partner" is an employee. A SB rep. informed me that they refer to all employees as "partners". If you read SB's reply to Fred it states "many of our partners (employees) show their support by donating coffee."
Employees receive free coffee every month for their own personal use.

These donations SB takes credit for are nothing more than personal donations by employees. It's no different then an employee
sending his/her own money to the USO. It's pathetic that SB would take credit for what their employees do personally.

SB has given 50,000lb of coffee to the Red Cross to be distributed to the troops. That's great! They do it through the Red Cross because "We are able to donate to nonprofit organizations that are designated as public charities under Section 501(c) (3) of the IRS Code, including public libraries and schools. The U.S. military or individual military personnel do not qualify as a public charity." In translation, they only contribute to "public charities", so they will receive a tax deduction! Remember a company isn't restricted by it's policies, a company makes it's policies. You might not think this is a big deal, but it costs the Red Cross money to distribute goods, when Starbucks could send the coffee directly and forfeit their tax deduction. Funny how a company who probably promotes redistribution of wealth, avoids doing so.

Anonymous JB said...

Maam: Your respondant who signs himself "Jud" seems confused about the real world and just what greases the wheels of Capitalism. Damning SB for their contributions to the Red Cross because it costs the ARC money to distribute the coffee, and then taking the tax deduction for their charitable acts (in stead of sending their product directly to the GIs) is ludicrous and half-thought. Business is just that: Business. And yeah, damn the big guys at SB for having the audacity to support political candidates with whom "Jud" disagrees - why did they not consult him first? Thank you, Lord, that we live in the Land of the free & the Home of the brave, where even dudes who don't know what the hell they're talking about can vent! Whether that is he or I is up to you, dear Chick, cuz it's your site, and we are but - oh screw that! He's a fool. Sweet Chick, keep your gun handy - they're out there.

Anonymous Heather said...

I love how people are so quick to criticize someones opinions. Especially that guy that tried to look all smart by looking up how much money Starbucks big wigs donated to John Kerry's presidential campaign, after attacking chick with a gun for her choice of screen name.

Blah blah blah! Any freakin idoit that knows how to read can go to the starbucks website and see for themselves how SB supports the troops. It states plain as day that employees recieve one free pound of coffee per week. It named 2 examples of one store location and a techinical group that put their coffee together and sent it to the troops. I don't think that qualifies as SB taking credit for it's employees personal donations, but that they encourage their employees to support the troops.

I also believe that making donations to the RED CROSS is a good way to go about getting things to the troops. The RED CROSS has more information about specific locations that need donations more than others. In other words, your donation is more likely to make it to the service member who is truely without, and NOT the one just trying to get free stuff in the mail. Of course it costs the RED CROSS money to distribute donations. Nothing is free. That is NOT a reason to attack SB for choosing to donate to the RED CROSS instead of mailing directly to a service memeber.

I myself am a combat veteran who served in this war. We recieved donations from the RED CROSS and other organizations while we were overseas as well. I for one really appreciated each and everyone that took the time to donate and think of us overseas that didn't have access to the comforts of home. I NEVER wrote letters to companies begging for free stuff. I agree with chick with a gun about it being wrong to beg for freebees. We signed up for this. Being a service member is not an easy life. But, we signed up for it. We decided to give up certain freedoms as a civilian and make a sacrifice for our country. We follow orders even if we don't believe in them. It's our job. And once again...we signed up for it. Not every service member out there is going to do the right thing. Some try to get out of serving in a combat zone, some try to get out of pretty much anything! That doesn't mean ALL are lazy whining greedy people. Just that they are out there. It's better to just donate to charities that know where to send the goods than someone's sob story letter.

Thanks to everyone that is serving whether they agree with it or not. Thanks for doing your job and doing it right!


Anonymous Exstarbuckexec said...

Starbucks donated cofee to their employee.s and could take full tax credit. the employee groups sent the coffee. a normal and auto response by corporate accountants
was explained previously by starbucks . since modified. To this
day " partners " are donating
after the corporate tax credit.
Thats the way it is in the corp.
laws issues. A usual choice.

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmmm all very interesting and there are always to sides to every coin and story. Is Starbucks a left wing nut company? Do they charge way to much for coffee? Are they unpatriotic? YES YES & who knows.
I guess the only thing I am upset about is calling Marines who served in Iraq whiners...WTF? really? No offense Chick but what was your mos and what APO/FPO's can you list? If you did serve in either sand box...where? I was in Fallujah in 2003- GOD bless STOP LOSS. My mos was 0331 and I was also a DMR. I lost and made friends there and we did sometimes as for things..WHY? because a freakin AIMPOINT is more than a Lcpl or Cpl makes and it keeps you alive! At Camp Fallujah we ate MRE's, slept in tents while being mortared while those in the the green zone were behind barriers and had 14 flavors of ice cream! Again, no offense Chick...where were you? The only whiner I see here is you. So what does your SRB really say...hmmm?

Semper Fi
God bless the Infantry!
2nd Marine Div
p.s. some of us have to remain anonymous because we STILL serve..if u don't know what that means chick then you might have served but it would be in a diner not in "our" beloved armed forces.


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